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Message: [QUOTE="Lone Duck, post: 1551195, member: 21686"] Disc Care is an app I bought when I got this machine I've never had a problem with it. It is made for Apple byAbout time products It is fast smooth and I have never had a problem with it. I also have never had a problem with apple mail app On it I have northwestel.net who is the sever up here. I thought time machine backed up everything I have automatically So when I upgrade elCapitan I just leave it alone. I to would like to keep it KISS. You are so far ahead of what I do I can barely understand what you mean. Also I do not use I cloud. Should I ? And why? [/QUOTE]